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Re: how's the life of aborigen people in New Zealand ?
Tue, December 26, 2006 - 11:05 PMNZ would have to be maybe the only country where the indigenous people are seen and heard and given a place in Parliament...slowly but surely they are gaining ground as equal peoples of this land..
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Re: how's the life of aborigen people in New Zealand ?
Thu, December 28, 2006 - 6:49 AMIndigenous people in New Zealand are known as Maori. New Zealand was the only country in the world to have signed a treaty with England to live side by side as equal partners. This treaty is called The Treaty of Waitangi. Not long after the Treaty was signed by a few Maori, the government retracted on many of the clauses in this document. One must remember that when this treaty was signed, the ratio of Maori and Tauiwi (newcomers) was 30:1. Within a very short time, settlers were arriving to ' the promised land' only to find that Maori owned the majority of this land. These settlers forced the government to make up new laws which would alienate Maori from being able to vote in their own country. These ploys were so successful that with the new laws and new diseases entering the country, Maori were forced to become the minority in their own land. -
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Re: how's the life of aborigen people in New Zealand ?
Thu, December 28, 2006 - 9:47 AMyour answer sound very realistic Miere
was hard to believe, is any country in the world where the aboriginal have the right to deal with them own land, against "colonist's" -
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Re: how's the life of aborigen people in New Zealand ?
Thu, December 28, 2006 - 10:43 AMAND Maori took land off the Moriori..so the cycle goes round... -
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Re: how's the life of aborigen people in New Zealand ?
Thu, December 28, 2006 - 12:32 PMSo it seems, and considering the colonialist forced their own people out of England to other parts of the world to dominate wherever they landed does seem like the cycle goes on. It might interest you to look at www.parihaka.com....The colonialist have succeeded in infiltrating wherever they go and changing the rules to suit. All eyes should be on China.
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Re: how's the life of aborigen people in New Zealand ?
Thu, December 28, 2006 - 12:41 PMyou may want to check this site out regarding your knowledge of Moriori...
history-nz.org/moriori.html...peace -
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Re: how's the life of aborigen people in New Zealand ?
Thu, December 28, 2006 - 2:37 PMthanks miere..Iam going to Parihaka and have checked out the site...blessings.. -
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Re: how's the life of aborigen people in New Zealand ?
Fri, December 29, 2006 - 12:55 AMI went last year...it was great....I planted harakeke and got a temporary moko kauwae. I still practice my te reo here in the states sometimes. There were so many people who helped me along, I wish I could go to Parihaka and reconnect! Think of me Shekinah. Bring a white feather for me. Haere ra -
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Re: how's the life of aborigen people in New Zealand ?
Fri, December 29, 2006 - 1:04 AMkia ora Jules...for sure...I will see you there ...and send any feelings of joy and peace your way..maybe next year eh?much abundance and peace and creativity to you this coming moment and day and year and lifetime..arohanui Shekinah
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Re: how's the life of aborigen people in New Zealand ?
Fri, December 29, 2006 - 1:17 AMI guess that was off topic....
My experience as an American learning the Maori culture---
Maori people are very integrated with non Maori. There are Maori who are going back to the marae and villages, there are Maori gangs. I did not experience any hostile Maori, or any Maori gangs. Everyone was incredibly friendly and helpful. But I was TOLD there are defnitely areas that have trouble, but that it is much less than it was, say in the 90s. MY EXPERIENCE is that Maori and non Maori integrate both Maori and Pakeha (non Maori) culture. Most kiwis know basic words like "kai" and "puku" (food and belly). It is a similiar relationship to the Mexican American and white American in Tucson (without the current panick about building fences) The mutual influence is inseperable now. I heard some derogitory remarks from both Maori and Pakeha, but I hear that type of stereotyping and shit in the U.S, too. STATISTICS show Maori to be of a lower economic status, more like to have domestic violence, higher rates of alcoholism, younger unwed mothers. This seems to bring a pretty common result from being invaded by colonists and having the way of life destroyed with the environment. Please note, these might be statisitcs, but that does not mean that's really how it always is at all. And obviously, there are families from all races that have the same shit. And it "less labor jobs" are not assumed to be Maori, as often happens in the U.S. with minorities. I had white friends there doing housekeeping, store clerks, etc.
Also, please note that I am not a kiwi, my perspective was from a 6 moth visit. My experience brought me in contact with wonderful Maori families who invited me to stay in their homes, taught me the language, shared ceremonies, taught me native healing techniques and plants. -
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Re: how's the life of aborigen people in New Zealand ?
Fri, December 29, 2006 - 4:14 AMI wait in anticipation for Glisten's reply...as I have just found out that Glisten is on her way up to Parihaka, which is where I was last year, so "would love to catch up with you Glisten grrlriend at the same whenua"
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Re: how's the life of aborigen people in New Zealand ?
Fri, December 29, 2006 - 4:25 AMJules, I can only write to you about the first three lines of your speil regarding your experiences with Maori. From what I see, you still have 'mixed feelings'....I wait in anticipation to your repy...peace...
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Re: how's the life of aborigen people in New Zealand ?
Fri, December 29, 2006 - 4:51 AMJules, where are you now? -
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Re: how's the life of aborigen people in New Zealand ?
Sat, December 30, 2006 - 9:54 AMlol, miere, I didn't have computer access for a day!
It's not that I'm not clear about my feelings, I feel clear about my perspective on Maori in NZ, I think of it as well-rounded. I included information in attempt to give as informative answer as possible to what is the life of indigeous people in NZ. To say "They are all wonderful. Everyone that I met was happy to teach me and get to know me. I did not meet anyone with family problems or violence issues" would be as misrepesentive of the community as if one only reads statisitcs or watches the movie Once Were Warriors. Both (any many other) situations are true there.
I met people who practiced the culture, were friendly, helpful, sincere. Many have gone back to the marae, many know/are learning the language, weave flax, have mokos
I met people who held no ties to their heretige, either because they didn't care or weren't raised with it
I was repeatedly reminded that there are man un-safe Maori neighborhoods and lots of domestic violence.
This doesn't mean I think there are ALL perfect, nor does it mean I think they are ALL bad. I had good experiences, but I realize they are my experiences, not truth for a community.
Does this make sense? Sometimes I end up talking a lot and saying very little. I really love to talk about my experiences in NZ, because I learned a lot during that trip. If I ever say anything that sounds interestesting, "out of line" or not clear, I'm happy to explore it more.
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Re: how's the life of aborigen people in New Zealand ?
Sun, January 14, 2007 - 9:06 PMI'm an actual local native Maori ... or to be more precise part-Maori, given there are no true blooded Maori left. However I was pretty much raised as middle-class white guy, and given my skin tone usually just get mistaken for a normal pakeha with a tan.
First off I didn't think we had any specific "Maori neighbourhoods". It is sadly true that Maori (and other pacific islanders living in NZ) have a higher percentage of lower income families, and criminal offenders. We do have lower income neighbour hoods, and they often have a high percentage of Maori and Pacific Islanders.
That being said there are are no places in New Zealand that I wouldn't feel safe walking down the street. There are however places I wouldn't go walking through the parks at night, or taking short cuts down alleys. I'm sure that's pretty much sadly true of any nation.
While Maori do have a higher percentage of low income families and criminal offenders, we do cover all walks of life, and have a spread throughout society otherwise. Except posibily politically, Maori aren't held apart as an indigineous race. According to our last census, approximately 25% of our population identify themselves as Maori, which makes it pretty hard to make any exclusions. In reverse it's also fairly hard to anything that is also specifically for the Maori alone.
You will find however that there are attempts to allow for Maori culture and practices in what otherwise would be normal western services, which often appears to outsiders (as well as many non-Maori locals) as special exceptions for the Maori. I would advise when you do run into these that you take a closer look, because often the services are actually the same, and secondly none of these (that I'm aware of) are actually for just Maori and anyone can actually use them, they just cater to Maori cultural sensitivities.
It's also of interest that while English is our predominant language, Maori is also an official language and can be spoken in any formal situation with full equal rights. However given not even 50% of us who identify as Maori can speak the language (I'm ashamed to be one of these, despite 3 years of taking it during school), this doesn't happen often, and also usually requires a translator for the non-Maori speakers.
In regards to the family violence, it seems to be an issue across New Zealand as a whole not just specifically Maori. From a my personal local view we seem to have equal numbers of issues for this for Maori/Pacific Islander and non. However that does imply a higher percentage for Maori.
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Re: how's the life of aborigen people in New Zealand ?
Tue, February 13, 2007 - 4:03 PMJumping into this late ... however the difference is that the English has signed a treaty with the Maori, not invaded like everywhere else in the world. Part of the treaty was that (bascially) the Maori would continue to own their land, which the English reneged on.
Had they invaded and taken the land by force, would be a completely different story.
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